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PART III
The modern translations and revisions are counterfeits!
- Their root is from Egypt. The Bible often has a negative outlook on Egypt (Rev. 11:8.), especially Alexandria (Acts 6:9, Col. 2:8). Alexandria is where the philosophy that the Bible is fallible (taught by Origen) grew, and that it has mistakes and must be corrected. Most modern translations, come from the Alexandrian manuscripts.
- They remove or change words. i. e.: NIV is 90,000 words short of what is in the KJV.
- They change the meaning of the verses. Bible teachings are altered; many times to suite the author or organization’s beliefs. Often the new perversions change verses dealing with the deity of Christ, Jesus’ virgin birth, hell, and salvation.
- The new “bibles” bring confusion. Who is the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33)? Not God! Satan is behind the perversion of God’s Word. They change biblical doctrine!
- They profess to make the Word of God easier to understand, but they do not! It is the Holy Spirit that reveals the understanding of God’s Word to man, not man’s intellect. The new “bibles” are said to be “easier” to read, yet fewer than ever are reading any version. Even fewer are those obeying it and living the way it commands!
There is a battle raging over the souls of man. The warfare can only be won with the Word of God. Many, including Satan, are working hard to dull the only spiritual weapon man has. God has made sure the Bible is still preserved in the KJV. Do you read and obey it?
“If the modern ‘bibles’ are supposed to make it easier to understand and also correct ‘mistakes’, why did 300+ different versions still not make it easy enough and get it right; and why are they still creating more versions? The answer is that the primary goal is not to make the Word of God clearer, but so they can make money and make it say what they want!”
This series is still feeding me. I much enjoyed the last installment this morning and also the comments!
Thanks for repeating this study. If people would study for themselves they would know the truth regarding this issue (and many others) better. II Tim. 2:15 tells us to study God’s Word. It doesn’t tell us to blindly follow what men (or denominations) teach. On the tongues issue, shortly after I was saved (1980) I listened to Jimmy Swaggart on TV preaching to a crown in Africa and there was a translator next to him, repeating everything he said. Jimmy “spoke in tongues” a couple of times and the translator was silent. I wrote and asked why he even needed a translator if he could speak in tongues the way it is done in the Bible. I received a nice “thank you for your question” letter and Swaggart’s booklet on speaking in tongues. That settled any question I might have had about whether tongues was for our day. Keep up the good work Bro. Bill!!
Right @Bill that is why I recheck at times when I get the feeling .
Okay @Doug you say one receives the Holy Spirit when they get saved … I think we all have the spirit before being saved but one may just ignore it so it stays silent . When I was a child and got saved then we were at a tent meeting and people were going up there to “receive ” the holy spirit I did not as something in me told me not to so I did not . Maybe to my child’s mind seeing how one women went up there to receive the spirit then fell down scared me I don’t know but I would not go up there . Then again as I got saved I felt Jesus hand thru my body oh such a glorious feeling that I felt there was no need to go up and make a show of anything [ got saved at home ] . who knows ?
Later in life I have seen many people go up for one thing or another and being touched and falling down nah fake as I think the pastors push them down or they are paid shrills .
Yes, one receives the Holy Spirit when he is saved! It does not come and go because we mess up. Once we are saved we always have the Sprit, but It can be grieved and not work in us. Most of us grieve the Spirit, and that is why He does not do what He would like to in our lives. Getting our sin confessed and right with Him is the only way to get the Holy Spirit working in our lives again.
The business about “slain in the Spirit” is not for this church age, nor any other. It is not biblical. The only instances of anything like it in the Bible, are always very negative. Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5?) were examples when God dealt with deceit and sin by slaying them by the Spirit. Today’s churches make “slain in the spirit” out like it is a good thing. It isn’t.
Today, we are to live by faith, not by sight. Early Christians did not have the entire Word of God. They needed miracles to prove God was working in their lives. We have all God wants us to know within the pages of His Holy preserved Bible. We are to live by faith in what He has kept for us.
If people on here will check the day before posts as I do maybe they will see someone replied to a comment they posted . Yesterday I posted a link of a web site that shows many versions of bibles including the KJV so if one has doubt they can look at say the NIV then look at the KJV and see ah ha not the same . As Bill says a lot is missing or changed in meaning as it takes one period or coma to change a meaning . This is why even at times I go back to the 1611 KJV as I have found one time ah cant recall where one had a question mark and the other had a period .
It just takes a punctuation mark to change everything! You’re right!
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The jots and tittles are the little diacritical marks on Hebrew lets. God promised His words to us would be preserved to even the tiniest detail – the little marks. So where is it? It’s certainly not in the new translations.
Hundreds of years after King James commissioned the work to produce “THE” Word of God, we are back to the confusion that he was combating in his time.
As I understand it, there were several groups that had their own version of Gods word and their doctrinal arguments could largely be traced back to those unreliable texts they were using.
What about a miracle?….King James encourages (forced) them to get together, pray and come to agreement about what texts to use as well as how to translate….and their work was not hidden from him, he took a personal interest and I understand he was as educated and as good a linguist as any of them, so he checked up on them. He took what was a powder keg in his country and used it to record for all time the best compilation of the inspired Word that has ever been. This ushered in peace during the remainder of his reign… domestic and foreign. He enjoyed a good reputation at home and abroad.
Miracle #2…check out the timing of the invention of the printing press (it was coming into wide use about 1611, having been invented in 1440) and printing technology to produce relatively inexpensive copies of the KJV…. right around this time…. God’s timing is awesome!
Miracle #3…. Martin Luther lived in the mid 16th century… around mid 1500’s. The reformation was in full swing about this time. Remember Martin Luther was the Catholic Monk that had the audacity to re discover the idea that our relationship with God did not depend on liturgy, the priest, or what we did, it was a personal relationship…He got that idea from scripture. Now, after the 1611 KJV was produced, the printing press invented..suddenly people that were able could actually read the word of God for themselves thereby robbing the Catholic Church of one of it’s powers it held over people….lack of access to Gods word.
Miracle #4
The Renaissance. From approximately the 14th to the 17th century…Europe (the world) was coming out of the “Dark Ages” which were brought on by the collapse of Rome. During the Dark ages, the only people that were functional in written language were a very few in the upper classes and monks. This period marks a new time where a lot more people began to have access to reading. How about that!!! guess what came along for them to read!
So from this chain of events…
We have Martin Luther re discovering what it means to have a personal relationship with God…… that thinking had passed away in the first few centuries after the Church began.
We later have John Wesley and others re discovering what the early church knew…that saved people dont live any old way…we should seek to live Holy and clean before the Lord as best we are able.
We have the Anabaptists, Baptists, Methodists, and others that flee Europe and come to america to live according to the Word of God.
Later in Topeka Kansas in the early 1900’s a group of Bible School student in Topeka Kansas re discovers what Peter and the 120 found in the upper room…The Baptism of the Holy Ghost. (sorry Bro Bill, we will have to agree to disagree here…Probably just crossed the doctrinal line. Still Love you!)
Fast forward to 2016…. we are in a similar situation that King James found himself. The people that call themselves Christian are arguing over what the word of God really is…when that was settled in 1611! I don’t look for this argument to go away, but to get worse. We must, must… stick to what we know is reliable. His coming is so near!
Such great teaching Brother! God has been using you in this series.
Joke: I had to get my calculator out to do the math problem to post this…Ha ha.
I do not accept the part about Topeka, but ………. grumple, grumple, mutter, mutter…. :>)
That’s OK Brother, we have tons in common, nothing Heaven or hell related. I apologize for bringing it up because this is ministry that God has trusted you with. I have no business creating controversy with the Man of God. It was an irrelevant point to my rambling.
You are fine. I love those that love the Word of God, and it is evident that you do. I appreciate your character and desire not to offend the brethren. I appreciate your dwelling and thinking about God’s Word all day long. I wish more people were as sensitive in that area of concern for others as you are.
One day I will run a series on the gifts of this church age (Romans 12) and sincerely hope I will not offend you. But, if I am ever wrong biblically, I hope you all stand up and correct me. I NEVER want to tell anyone my opinion, only what I believe the Word of God clearly teaches (if something is not 100% clear in my understanding, I will not open my mouth, or type any words) . I am as dumb as a brick, but the Holy Spirit is a genius!
David, I can’t tell you how many people I know that have come out of the “charismatic” movement that told me that all the so-called tongues and baptism of the Holy Spirit was all just an emotional experience that didn’t make them any holier or more special than anybody else.
I also think it’s amazing that most fakes and frauds (Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen) come out of the charismatic churches.
I knew a Pentecostal preacher one time that told a little girl that had diabetes that God told him that she was going to be healed 3 days later from diabetes – Guess what? That was over 10yrs ago and she still has diabetes! What does that make that Pentecostal preacher? A FALSE PROPHET! Just saying!!!
By the way, if you do a google check on the Topeka, Kansas movement (later known as the Aszuza Street Revival), most of the people that started that movement were frauds.
After I was saved, I remembered sitting next to a man on a train that was reading a book about how to speak in tongues. IF it was of God, (it is not for this church age that has the entire Word of God), no one would need a how-to book.
David, I hope I didn’t offend you about what I said. That is never my intentions when I comment. I just don’t believe the “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” happens separate from salvation. I believe a person is Baptised in the Holy Spirit the moment of salvation, and I don’t think tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit for today.
The churches that speak in tongues, I’ve never seen them do it according to biblical standards.
I certainly am not offended and agree with you 110%. My doctrine page states my stand on tongues. I have a piece that touches on that subject and just preached (2 months ago) on the gifts of the early church.
I was listening to J. Vernon McGee on the radio, and he told a story about one of his students from Dallas Theological Seminary: A student of his went to a church that spoke in tongues. Halfway through the service, this student stood up and quoted the 23rd Psalm in Latin.
When he finished, a man behind him stood up and started giving the “interpretation”, and after 10min of talking, the man sat down and the student stood back up and said “I want everyone in here to know that that’s not what I said! I quoted the 23rd Psalm in Latin!”
The student was quickly escorted out of the church by the Deacons and told never to come back! People should “test the spirits to see if their of God” as Paul said!
Sorry, I meant I John says for us to test the Spirits” – not Paul!
I have nothing but respect for and confidence in you men. You all did not offend me in the least. If that is your conviction, then I respect you for having taken the time to research it and come to a conclusion. I should not have brought it up in this forum, especially because it was irrelevant to the point I was making. I appreciate the back and forth we have here, it is a great help to me.
I will say this to Bro Doug. You used the term Charismatic. I can remember using the same term when I first encountered this. I agree that the individuals you spoke of definitely fit that description. There is a lot of junk out there being passed off. It discredits people in the same way anyone that sins or falls discredits the others around them.
I want to give Bro Bill plenty of room to make his points and teach about KJV and other material. That is what is of paramount importance here. I am just being a distraction from that.
Also, to Bro Bill, I appreciate a Man of God that will stand flat footed and state what the Word of God says. I have never felt you were close minded or unkind. I appreciate you.
David, please comment on what God lays on your heart whether we agree or not! Just like you said one time “Iron sharpens iron” – your comments inspire me! I promise you, I’m not perfect in my theology and I know I’ve commented on things that others didn’t agree with!
Someday maybe we can have the discussion we started here, but for now, the most important thing that can happen is for Bro Bill to have an opportunity to plant a seed in someone, somewhere that will get them to examine the “Bible” they are using.
What great teaching this is. From what I can tell, it is non existent in the vast majority of Churches. I wonder if the Pastors even know.
Like I was saying in my original comment, we are in a time that is much like King James’ in that the enemy is trying to distract from the real work of Christianity by planting these alternate versions and fakes in order to divide us. We have trouble agreeing on what the KJV says, let alone the 100’s of other versions out there.
Did you google that Cotton Patch bible? You should take that to your theology class and tell that prof that you found him a really easy version to understand.
Appreciate you.
You know what’s funny? My bible college is suppose to teach from the KJV only! It’s in their handbook! Yet both of my teachers this semester teach out of a different translation! Hmmm!
Very dangerous! It is impossible to teach correct doctrine using different versions. How can they have correct doctrine because the tree they come from (Codexes Sinaticus and Vaticanus) are unhealthy. Reread todays study on Alexandria.
Even the NKJV, when there is a question, resorts to the Vaticanus (does “Vaticanus” make you nervous, it should, it refers to the Catholic text stored for a long itme in the Vatican).
If any one is really interested in learning the truth about the different “bible” versions, I strongly recommend “Landmarks of English Bible: Manuscript Evidence by Pastor Robert J. Sargent. It can be purchased at http://www.baptistpublications.org/p/I-MSS.html>. I collect books on the subject, and this one (actually a college course he taught) is the best by far!
What texts are they using?
I think both of them use the NKJV. One of my teachers is real big into Greek and Hebrew, so to me, he should know better than to use another version.
hmmm. NKJV. Surprising from a Greek and Hebrew person. The differences in the translations has a lot to do with the original languages.
Many people (sad to say, including my own wife and some of my Bible College teachers) think I’m being legalistic when it comes to KJV only. However, I’m going to stand on truth, and the KJV is the only pure Word of God that I’m going to read!
Many think this issue about which is the true Bible is a rabbit-trail for preachers. It is not. It is probably one of the most important issues because:
Having the right Bible is the foundation that our faith is built on. If it is a poor foundation, the Christian will not be strong! So many well-meaning people spiritually crumble because the are not standing on a firm foundation – the inspired, preserved Word of God.
Starting tomorrow, I will be running a brief comparison between many of the modern versions. If one cares about the truth, the comparison should shock most that use a perversion of the Word of God.
(I am working on an article which is basically saying what I have written. Matter-in-fact, I think I may dump most of it and use what I have written here. :>) )